shanmonster: (Spasmolytic)

I never thought I'd agree with someone from T-Shirt Hell. Although it's a sad thing that poor ol' Supe died, take a look at this:

I can't get over the fuss they're making over the death of Christopher Reeve. It's like he was some kind of Saint. They talk about how tirelessly he worked to get funding for research to cure paralysis. I'm sorry, but am I the only one who notices that he might have had a little something to gain if all of this hard work paid off? The man was a human doorstop. If Christopher Reeve had fallen off his horse and bounced back up unharmed, and then decided to devote his life to curing paralysis- then I would be impressed. If Christopher Reeve became paralyzed, and then devoted his life to finding a cure for world hunger, cancer, or blindness- then I would think that this guy was pretty heroic.

Believe me, if I had an accident and my penis was turned inside out so that every time I took a piss it came out my nose, you'd better believe I'd spend some time looking for the cure for inside out penisitis. I think I would discover I had a real passion for it that I was previously unaware of.

In other news, my throat is still sore and my head is full of snot. While I'm suffering, I think I'll devote my life to finding a cure for the common cold. My search begins in my medicine cabinet.

Date: 2004-10-15 02:29 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] bboyneko.livejournal.com
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=creeve

this guy agrees :D

Date: 2004-10-15 02:41 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
I wouldn't say he was an arsehole. I never met the man, and just because someone advances a cause they themselves have great interest in shouldn't make that person reprehensible. If that were the case, why aren't we heaping denigrations upon all those Run For the Cure folks? I mean, they're breast cancer survivors and friends/relatives of people with breast cancer, so it's not like they didn't have personal interests in the cause in the first place.

Still, I don't think Supe was necessarily heroic. He was just a guy doing what lots of other guys would do in his situation.

Date: 2004-10-15 02:46 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] bboyneko.livejournal.com
i also dont often feel sorry for people killed/innjured due to their extravegant lifestyle , i.e: princess di, Aaliyah, Sonny Bono, etc.

Date: 2004-10-15 03:15 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
I don't think any of those are very good examples. Aaliyah died in a plane crash. How was that particularly extravagant? Sonny Bono died in a skiing accident. I know lots of people who ski. I don't find downhill skiing any more extravagant than any other sport. Princess Di died in a car accident. Lots of people die in those. Just because her car was a limousine doesn't make her death any more deserved.

Now, some bonehead who dies because they try to copy a crazy stunt they saw on MTV, well, that just helps clean up the gene pool some.

Date: 2004-10-15 03:28 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] bboyneko.livejournal.com
Princess Di - Car crash in a limo while being chased by paparazzi..obviously thats a little different than someone driving to work and being sideswiped by a drunk driver...

Aaliyah died cus she was leaving the bahamas or whatever after her music video shoot, and she so overloaded her private plane with bodyguards and luggage it crashed..again very different than a person flying to visit their family for thanksgiving and plane crashes cus of engine failure.

Sonny bono is perhaps the least relevant example, but skiing is a very expensive hobby, and heavenly ski resort (where he died) isnt a cheap resort to ski in.

Date: 2004-10-15 03:38 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
The presence of paparazzi doesn't remove any pity I might have for someone dying. That being said, the way the Princess Di story hit the news and people's heartstrings is downright bizarre. It's especially weird that it was such a big deal in the USA. I mean, aren't the USA all about having dumped their colonial roots?

I don't know the details on the Aaliyah plane crash. If her plane was way overloaded, then yes, that was pretty dumb. But did she know it was overloaded? Shouldn't the pilot have refused to fly that way? Someone made a boneheaded decision, and it might not have been her.

This reminds me of the Kennedy story a couple of years ago (I forget which Kennedy). He crashed his plane, and everyone was filled with pity. But he was flying with a cast on his leg, which is both stupid and illegal. 'Twas his own fault.

Downhill skiing isn't necessarily an expensive hobby. You can get a season pass for pretty cheap around here. Of course, his resort was probably very pricey.

Date: 2004-10-15 03:42 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] bboyneko.livejournal.com
im not saying a person who dies that didnt deserve to die dosent dereve pity, only that if the death involved something of high luxury that few people will ever experience, than i have a little less pity..like lets say theres a country where everyone is starving to death and this one rich person chokes to death cus he was eating topo much food..its sort of like that.

Date: 2004-10-15 03:46 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
Fair enough.

Date: 2004-10-15 02:59 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] zaki.livejournal.com
Still, I don't think Supe was necessarily heroic. He was just a guy doing what lots of other guys would do in his situation.

I wasn't going to say anything, what with all the tributes to him on my flist, but, well, yeah. You never really hear of anyone's unheroic efforts to battle whatever handicap du jour they have (unless you read The Onion, anyway). And he was lucky he happened to be wealthy enough to afford all the treatments that he so bravely struggled through, as well as contribute to the cause of helping others with the same issue. Does this make him a hero? Or rather, any more heroic than a sturggling person who can't do anything more than just stay alive?

On the other hand, he shouldn't be condemned for having a personal interest in the cause he's helping to support, either.

And Maddox is just trying to push peoples' buttons....though he is a hoot, sometimes. *lol* I don't believe he means a word of what he says, really.

Date: 2004-10-15 03:46 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
I'm sure he pushes lots of buttons! Nice hatemail, hmm?

Date: 2004-10-15 03:40 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] superbrad.livejournal.com
Yep. Same thing as with, I think it was Magic Johnson. "He's a hero because he's crusading for AIDS!" That's because he fucked so many groupies he finally *got* AIDS. Crusading for a disease that you have is not heroic.

Date: 2004-10-15 03:42 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
So I'm not a hero for trying to find a cure for my horrid head-stuffing cold? Damn.

Date: 2004-10-15 04:19 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] liquid-quaalude.livejournal.com
yea I was sad at his death because he was my first girlhood crush....
but now you can not turn the fucking tv channell here in the US with out hearing about it!!!
they are acting like hes a saint!!!
and in reality there is ONLY ONE reason he was cursading so much for the cause....HIMSELF......
because if he wasnt paralyzied by that accident...he wouldnt have thought twice.....about it...
and there are tons of people like him who dont have the fancy wheelchairs and excellant care he did....

I saw Aaliyah meantioned above....being a pilot I read the NTSB report of that accident....I hate to say it...but it was there sheer stupidity that got them killed...I have over 11,000 hours of flying a plane...and I know that if Iam stupid...that plane is gonna kill me....if that makes sense.

Date: 2004-10-15 04:23 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
As mentioned before, I'm unfamiliar with the particulars of the Aaliyah incident. But whattya think of the Kennedy one? I thought that was pretty lame-brained. Same with the story of the little girl flying in the storm who subsequently crashed and burned a couple of years back.

Date: 2004-10-15 04:42 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] liquid-quaalude.livejournal.com
oh you know how to get me started!!!;-)
Kennedy had NO right flying a bigger turboprop like that & with passengers...he did not even have an hour of flight time in that airframe!! He had about 300 flight hours....and alot of it was as SIC- second in comand...so he wasnt doing too much! Thats an experience level when pilots often become overconfident and are not sufficiently seasoned to recognize dangerous situations. Let me tell you if he hadnt of been JFK.jr they would have questioned his ass before leaving in that plane and with passengers!
The NTSB went over the plane and guess what? it was in perfect mechanical condition...not a thing wrong with it....so the accident was due fully to pilot error!
He thought I have the money and its so easy to fly...well he learned.

As for the little girl, I belive she was 8....I was 11 when I started flying...but with my father a USAF SR-71 & B2 bomber Pilot....the girl had to have the plane modified so she could even reach the controls!!!
She couldnt even talk to the airport tower to ask for permison to taxi and departure...her so called co pilot had to....because at one airport she came on asking just this "can we leave the airport"!!!
She was unfamiliar with directions...meaning when a airport told her to taxi on runway 3-4...and after departure to head to the west to avoid incomming traffic...se first was unsure of where that runway was...till her co pilot came in....and after take off...headed to the EAST...before a sharp manuver to the west...which was undoubtedly her dumb co pilot.....its sad she crashed...but nor her or her co pilot had any experience flying in bad weather of VFR conditions...aalyhias plane her even smaller plane was overloaded.
I do not mean to sound like an elitist bitch...but Iam 21 with over 11,000 flight hours...and over 10 type ratings....the FAA usually dosent grant the ATP (airline transport pilot licsense) till the minimum age of 23...I was granted it this september....I had to go through special testing at Boeing. Ive worked my ass off....and stupidity like kennedy and the child accident...can make rules and regulations that hinder the rest of the responsibile world of general aviation.
Flying is dangurous...but not if you are not stupid about it! But to me flying is my air to live.
I have suffered a engine failure and crash landing...and Im here today....I know what can happen and I respect that.

Date: 2004-10-15 04:55 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
Hee! A bunch of my friends are air traffic controllers, so I've heard lots of their opinions on similar matters.

I like going to movies about airplanes/airports with pilots and ATCs. It's like having my own personal MST3K session.

Date: 2004-10-15 06:17 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] liquid-quaalude.livejournal.com
I think i was the only one that was happy about Airport '79: Concorde comming out on DVD!!!
just something about the stewardess hanging out Concordes cockpit window at supersonic speed and being perfectly fine.

Date: 2004-10-15 06:33 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
Oooh! I haven't seen that one!

Date: 2004-10-15 06:41 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] liquid-quaalude.livejournal.com
Its a must see in my book!
theres an Russian olypic team and a human heart on board!
oh and let us not forget the cruise missle going after Concorde!!!
I belive the Concorde used for shots in this movie was also the one that crashed in France in 2000.

Date: 2004-10-15 06:45 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
I must track it down. I love disaster movies--especially the really dumb ones.

Date: 2004-10-15 06:48 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] liquid-quaalude.livejournal.com
I would think Amazon would have it.
Yea I love disater movies too especially with planes! and this one tops the dumb list!!! but its cool because Concorde is in it!

Date: 2004-10-15 08:08 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] miraba.livejournal.com
Even if he didn't do anything courageous, he still brought attention to a branch of science which is rather underfunded (stem cell research). IMO, the more famous people who can crusade, the more people will actually recognize that something needs to be done.

Date: 2004-10-15 08:22 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
True enough!

Date: 2004-10-15 08:24 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
You know what this means? It means we need to infect more famous people with more obscure maladies!

Date: 2004-10-16 07:01 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] balthcat.livejournal.com
I whispered my shameful apathy to others, shortly after his demise. Sometimes not so whispery. In fact, something like "God-DAMN, I had enough of him when he gimped himself up, now that he's dead it's gonna flare up again!"

Maybe it's because I'm not old enough to place a huge importance in the actor who played Superman... but I have just NEVER cared. I actually didn't really like him in Superman.

Date: 2004-10-16 03:16 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
Not old enough? You're over four or five, aren't you? That's about the age when people generally start to develop the first glimmers of empathy.

Date: 2004-10-16 03:52 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] balthcat.livejournal.com
Well if you'll reread carefully what I wrote, you'll see that I didn't say I had no empathy. I said I don't place a particular importance on Christopher Reeve, say, in comparison to the British guy on the CBC in a documentary, with a skin disease that keeps him in constant pain 24 hours a day.

There are a lot of people in the world who merit my empathy, an awful lot, and what I'm saying is that I don't have any reason to give Christopher Reeve all that much more of it.

Date: 2004-10-18 03:40 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
You don't have to give sympathy to anyone.

Reeve

Date: 2004-10-16 04:02 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] digby-tantrum.livejournal.com
Somehow, I prefer this spin:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/_boo_radley/1976.html

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